Angel S02 E16 – You can’t sit with us.

Previously: Wolfram & Hart pretty well convinced Angel to give up, so he slept with Darla because not having a soul would make that way easier.


Sweeney: We sometimes talk about people watching Buffy but not Angel, which I imagine is a lot more common than the other way around. HOW COULD YOU WATCH THIS SHOW AND NOT WATCH THE FIRST THREE SEASONS OF BUFFY? Granted, Buffy knowledge is occasionally troublesome for watching this show because this show contradicts that at turns, but seriously seriously, I don’t understand those people. I bring this up now because this episode begins with Angel’s sit-up-and-gasp from the previous episode and moves into him running out into the rain. This time, though, the potential Tragic Magic Vagina belongs to Darla, who follows him outside and tells him not to fight it. Roll electric cellos.

After the credits, Darla’s talking about how getting rid of the soul leaves a bitterness. There’s a really awkward conversation about feels, and Angel thanks Darla for saving him and apologizes for not being able to save her. She finally realizes that he didn’t lose his soul.

Kirsti: PLOT TWIST!!! Also, womp womp for Darla.

Lorraine: I’m super torn between enjoying this nice little parallel scene (rain and everything!) and rolling my eyes at the obvious but still played PSYCH. at the end. IDK.

Sweeney: I’m with you on that. It’s neat, but also pretty worthy of eye rolling.

They move the conversation back inside for a tone shift. Now it’s funny banter about whether or not the sex was all that good. Darla wins some awesomeness awards.

Darla wants try again to fuck the soul out of him, but Angel can’t because it was “perfect dispair.” Realizing that Darla saved him when he was unable to save her helps him get all his feelsy brood back on. Apparently CrAngel really did just need to get laid. Go figure.

Darla says he knew this would happen and he tricked her into trusting him. That gives Angel Kate flashback feels, due to the fact that she probably spent the evening overdosing on pills and booze. Darla goes to stake Angel, and he stops her, saying that his new favor to her will be to tell her to GTFO because he’ll have to kill her the next time he sees her. OUCH. ANGEL. I think this makes you 2 for 2 on emotionally traumatizing women after they sleep with you. You need to cut that shit out.

K: A+. He’s rivalling Doucheface Parker at this point. 

Sweeney: Kidding aside, this is an interesting mirror of the Buffy sex. Darla’s angry because he says they’re over — “Why, because you suddenly just decide?” It feels like a bit of a callback to I Only Have Eyes For You. (Isn’t that episode kind of why this show exists?)

Lor: See? Torn again. But maybe the parallels here lean closer to awesome.

With Buffy, the problem was that he didn’t have a soul, and with Darla the problem is that he does.

Sweeney: Again, agreed. This parallel was fantastic.

Seizure cut to Angel pounding on Kate’s door. I actually gasped when he busts the door open and gets inside. But then he puts her in the shower and she wakes up. If she were dead enough to affect ~the magic~ then I think she was past the point of shit a cold shower could fix. Some major wonkiness with the invitation magic just to get Angel to save Kate. And for all that, she tells him to leave.

K: I also have problems with the whole “vampires don’t breathe” thing, which stops Angel from giving Buffy and now Kate CPR, because VAMPIRES CAN SMOKE WHICH REQUIRES INHALING AND EXHALING. This whole show would have been simpler if there’d been a “we can breathe, we just don’t need to” clause. 

Lor: I spent most of this scene going, “HE BETTER NOT GIVE HER CPR.”

Sweeney: I’m basically with you on that Kirsti, except that the scene would have had to be re-written in other ways. It’s pretty clear that it was done that way so that Xander, rather than Angel, could be the one to save Buffy back in the S1 finale. AND MOUNTAINS OF VAMPIRE BREATH CONTRIVANCE HAVE RISEN UP BECAUSE OF THAT DECISION. Thanks, show.

We cut to Darla getting her brood on in Lindsey’s apartment. He returns and babbles for a bit before realizing that Darla has the ring that Angel stole. He gets really angry and when Darla says it doesn’t work he adds that Wolfram & Hart did a disenchanting spell after Angel took it. WUT? Now I feel so cheated. I was so happy with what they did in the last episode and some how this cheapens it for me.

There’s a lot of that going around, because Darla’s still pretty focused on the fact that the guy she just slept with followed it up by threatening to kill her. (I guess I should point out that she mentioned that if he hadn’t opted to go with the sexytimes, she went there to kill him.) Darla says something about the ring being payment which makes Lindsey violently jealous and he demands details. That’s pretty pervy, Lindsey. I bet he’s just looking for firsthand accounts for his fan fic.

Elsewhere, Angel is waking up Lorne with broody puppy face. That’s not quite enough to redeem you for this latest round of Post-Coital Emotional Trauma. Or the weeks of CrAngel you subjected us to.

K: I love Lorne because when he hears the knocking on the door, he tells the knocker to keep their pants on. Then answers the door to Angel and is all “Welp, clearly too late!”. (L: +1)

Sweeney: In my delirious haze, I didn’t even catch that, so thank you for pointing it out because YES. WIN.

Lorne and Angel have a good little feels chat. Lorne tells him that it’s not about getting back but going on to the new place. I don’t know what the actual fandom looks like, because you guys, in our comments section, are basically my portrait of the Buffyverse fandom, so I can only assume that they wrote this line for Lorne with that fandom in mind: “I think I speak for everyone when I say that if all you’re going to do is go back to brood mode, we’d rather have you evil. Then at least — leather pants.” A+ forever, Lorne. You’re the best.



Sweeney: Fun stuff aside, Lorne points out that getting the Fang Gang back together might be really difficult, less because of them forgiving him than because they’re probably going to die. Womp.

Cordelia arrives at a house and I honestly forgot about the eyeball kid’s story until she calls out something about bringing the bill. I’m blaming it equally on the disjointed storytelling, the fact that it is 3am and I am exhuasted, and the fact that Joyce feels have overwhelmed my ability to process anything else. As I’m typing all this out, Cordelia comes across the now deceased family and then has a migraine vision of herself getting attacked. The demon appears and she calls out, “That was helpful!” because, you know, seriously, Powers That Be Contriving. Epic fail on that one.

After a Not Commercial Break we see Cordelia coming to in a bedroom. The demon tells her that she’s the destroyer of their spawn and needs to make the rest of the Fang Gang come to her. She doesn’t get what’s going on until she spots the eye in the back of his head. They say something about locating the “wheel-ed one.” Our Brazilian FES had really good English, but pronouncing the “-ed” in words as a separate syllable was something we never did break him of.

Speaking of the “wheel-ed one,” we segue magic to him in his apartment hearing noises. He struggles a bit but manages to get a gun. He then goes to the door only to find Angel kicking it open. Angel demands an invitation, as he hasn’t been there before. “Well, perhaps if you’d shown a bit of interest…” LOL. I appreciate all these little giggle-worthy moments after all the feels the Buffyverse has thrown at us.

Anyway, a demon comes crashing through the window and Wesley makes with the inviting. Angel gets tossed around a bit but ultimately kills the demon, sending pus everywhere. They smile for a bit, and it’s cute, but it’s cut off when Wesley remembers that CrAngel has been a major dick for last few weeks and covering his apartment in demon guts doesn’t change that.

Lor: I’ve had these moment! Not, like the covered in demon guts part, but like the, “I forgot I’m still mad at you” thing. Cute.

Sweeney: As have I. Again, less the demon guts. This was sweet.

Back at Lindsey’s apartment, he and Darla are silent and he goes to his closet very dramatically. He’s being extra bratty right now and it’s ridiculous. I can barely see that he’s grabbing some boots, but I’m already excited because Kirsti emailed me about some Cowboy Boots of Revenge, which sounds like a thing everyone should own.

K: They’re like Buffy’s Overalls of Sadness, but more badass and less dated.

Sweeney: In Angel’s car, Wesley is giving directions and Angel is trying to make small talk. Wesley is having none of his shit. Small-talk making Angel is moderately amusing, but I’m too busy feeling all of Wesley’s silent rage feels. Angel finally asks Wesley about the demons they’re dealing with, which is a thing Wesley is willing to discuss, though he’s not having any of Angel’s stupid chatty interjections. Stop it, Angel. Just stop. Oh, but his banter does include the first mention of Angel’s EPIPHANY, so here you go, Angel. Have a gold star.

title star

K: Wait. Should we have awarded Buffy a gold star for saying “We’re not supposed to move THE BODY”? I mean, super poor form because disrespectful and ALL THE FEELS. But she did say the thing…

Lor: Your argument is invalid. Feels.

Sweeney: I absolutely noticed that Buffy earned the star, but left it out on purpose because it just didn’t fit there.

Back at the home of the deceased bill-skippers, the demons are explaining that two are dead. Cordelia starts freaking out until it’s clarified that two more of the demons are dead. Then they decide that the natural next step is to use Cordelia to make new spawn. “Listen, I’ve been impregnated by demon spawn before. Let me just say — it didn’t work out.”

Unfortunately that plea is unconvincing. A few of the demons hold her while the main demon sticks his tongue in the back of her head. EW. EW. EW.

K: I thought it was bad the first time she got impregnated with demon spawn. Rapey impregnation by a tongue to the back of the head is SO MUCH WORSE.

Sweeney: In the Fangless Gang’s depressing new office, they find that Cordelia is not there. Wesley notices a truck keeps passing the building. Angel makes some comment about Cordelia potentially being out, and Wesley gets adorably defensive of her. He chastises Angel, telling him that he has no idea how solitary Cordelia has become. She doesn’t have the luxury of avoiding the visions — that were meant to guide Angel — and feels compelled to do something about all the pain and suffering she feels in the city. I love this. Wesley sticking up for Cordelia is the sweetest thing and YOU BE MAD AT THAT BAG OF DICKS FOR AS LONG AS YOU NEED AND WE’LL BE MAD RIGHT WITH YOU.

K: A+. And 1430.

Sweeney: The Bag of Dicks says that something is coming and so they turn off the lights. That something turns out to just be Gunn. Gunn gives Angel some well-deserved stink eye and has a little bro out moment with Wesley, so that Angel can have Forever Alone feels because he’s not invited.


Sweeney: They check Cordelia’s notepad and see that she wrote the address of the eyeball kid. As Wesley and Gunn get their de-oculation powder and head out, Angel questions whether this might be a trap and asks if it makes sense that she’d go there in the middle of the night without calling them. Neither of them stop, but they answer in unison, “They owe us money.” I’m just including that because it’s cute that they spoke in unison. (And as this is still Cordelia as Angel knew her, that’s sufficient, “Nope, not a trap,” proof for him.)

Cordelia is again waking up on the floor of the Deceased Bill-Skipper Manor. She freaks out because the demons are still there and nobody’s expecting her anywhere, so they won’t know she’s missing. And, most terrifying, she now has a revolting third eye on the back of her head which is gross and not at thing I care to look at any longer, show.

In the car, Angel is anxious but says it’s probably nothing. Then Gunn asks him about his “epiphany” and then uses that as a stand-in for murdering impulses, and says that he’ll have an “epiphany” if Angel changes his mind and anything happens to Cordelia.

Then they get attacked by some eye demons. Angel gets out of the car and says he’ll stay there and fight them and tells the others to go on ahead, insisting that he’ll meet them at the house. Once the car goes, the demons promptly flee…and then Angel is hit by a car with Lindsey at the wheel.

We get some back and forth cuts of Gunn and Wesley watching Cordelia through the window and Angel running from the car. Eventually Gunn and Wesley decide that they’re not going to wait for Angel because fuck that.

Meanwhile, Angel is being beaten with a sledgehammer by Lindsey, who wants to hear about everything he did with Darla. DAFUQ, LINDSEY? He looks weirdly red-neckish with his flannel jacket and old pick-up truck. I don’t even understand what is happening now.

Lor: I really want to know where BIG BUCKS LAWYER Lindsey was stashing his beat up, revenge pick-up truck. I JUST LOVE THAT HE HAS A REVENGE ENSEMBLE.

Sweeney: As do I. I need to get one pronto.

I can’t even watch all this sledgehammer business because it’s pretty brutal. Thanks to contrivance, though, Angel’s vampire healing works super fast and he recovers pretty quickly from these many heavy blows with a large sledge hammer. I won’t even question it too much because it results him taking the sledge hammer and smashing Lindsey’s fake hand. It’s not as good as when he cut it off, but it’s excellent for reminding us that this was a thing that once happened.


K: I think the redneck-y thing is meant to be a reminder that while he’s now a lawyer, Lindsey had a shitty and super poor upbringing in redneck central. Pulling out the Cowboy Boots of Revenge was a sign that he’s embracing his roots. Or something. Whatever, I just wanted to make the Cowboy Boots of Revenge a thing.

Sweeney: Fair. And you succeeded.

Anyway, Angel kicks him the face and takes his truck. Back at the house, Gunn and Wesley have been apprehended by the eye demons, which means it’s now they’re turn to be Eye-Brain Fucked. Glad we’re finally bringing a little demon spawn impregnation equality to the mix.

Jokes. Angel bursts through the door just! in! time! and gets to the fighting. He manages to kill them all while Wesley and Gunn do the de-oculation thing on Cordelia. Angel goes to her to see if she’s OK. No, she says, because he really hurt her feelings. I am the saddest of pandas.

The following morning Lindsey gets back to his place to find his truck returned with a note that says, “Thanks.” In his apartment he sees that all of Darla’s stuff is gone.

Back at the Brooding Hotel, Kate is there having feels about getting kicked off the force. Since she has also been insufferable for weeks, she’s the natural pick for the one to listen to Angel’s “epiphany.” Everyone wants a damn gold star today. Angel’s epiphany amounts to this: there is no grand plan or payoff and shit’s meaningless but at the end of the day all that matters is what we do.

Kate also mentions that maybe somebody still wants her around, seeing as she never invited him in. OK, show. Good. I mean, playing around with invitation magic is shifty, but I take this over the she-was-only-mostly-dead thing.

The Fangless Gang are taking calls when Angel shows up to do the big feelsy showdown moment properly. He apologizes and Wesley starts to say that none of them are ready, but Angel cuts him off before he can finish that sentence. He’s not asking them to work for him again; he wants to work for them now. Hmm. Interesting.

Cordelia’s not having it, but her, “No!” is interrupted by a Migraine Vision. When she comes out of it she marvels at not being on the floor this time, as set-up for the super cheesy reveal that Angel literally caught her before she fell, which was sufficient to win her over. With that, they head to work and we roll end credits.

That little wrap-up was a bit overdone, but I don’t care. I think I’ll be more annoyed if, in the next episode, the gang pretends that nothing ever happened. For now, though, I’m just really glad that we’re done with the CrAngel arc and that the whole crew is back together again.

In spite of being a bit dark, because this is still an episode of Angel, it was still pretty fun. Pretty sure my TV boyfriend and I are never (ever, ever) getting back together after this latest proof that sleeping with Angel will leave with emotional scars worse than any STDs. Also probably STDs, because Darla.


Next time on Angel: CROSSOVER MAGIC CAMEOS. Also, find out how the gang handles the growing pains of the new employment arrangement on S02 E17 – Disharmony.

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  • Clément Polge

    I love that this episode could be used as a way to mend your feels a bit after that devastating Buffy episode – Angel comes back into the fray, some Lorne awesomeness, some Wesley awesomeness, what more can you want ? But they still feel obligated to kick you a little bit in the nuts with that “you really hurt my feelings” bit towards the end. Damn you, show.

    And yeah, that Cordelia sudden approval at the end is weird, because not only does it feel a bit OOC, but it’s actually sort of overlooked next episode: she’s still mad at him (hope that’s not considered spoiler ! That falls a bit more into “good sense” territory).

    So this more or less concludes the CrAngel arc, so I want to put a few thoughts: I love that they went there, they spent season 1 making Angel from “silent broody” to “talky broody”, almost a SOCIAL person, and then vlam, they split him from the group and make him go totally dark. And that lasted for just a few episodes, until he gets his epiphany, which is really not a small one, it’s the whole mantra of the show: you don’t do good things for a karmic reward, or to feel good, you do them just because.

    And where may I buy those cow-boy boots of revenge ? It’s totally not for me, it’s for a friend. Yeah, a friend.

    • I think we’ll just have to go with that Cordy rolls with the punches. Whether she forgive Angel or not seems variable at this point.

      As much as I was ready for CrAngel to be over, I completely agree with you, and am so glad that they went there. It was sort of a natural progression for him. Despite however many hundreds of years to atone for, there was only so far the deeds-for-atonement could’ve taken him, so I’m glad he’s found higher purpose in no purpose.

      I hope I never cross that friend…

  • Anagnorisis

    Angel Epiphany
    Oh I’m so not worried
    Why Darla can’t sense his soul now? (like she did in ‘Darla’?) Contrivance!
    So he is not staying for breakfast? Ruuude
    ohh Lindsey is heartbroken because he wasn’t invited 🙁
    Lorne ships Angel/Leather pants
    Very useful vision! ¬¬
    Ewww pus, I’m eating!
    Thank the gods they took so much time to kill Cordy
    Or, not. Ok, that was horrifying, that whole scene, the way it was filmed/acted, left me feeling gross. Really, really terrible. Stop impregnating Cordelia against her will, show! fuck you show
    Lol at Gunn/Wesley and Angel jealous
    Lindsey is still jealous. Next time invite him already! (Also, that OOC revenge pick-up truck, it’s Christian Kane’s own truck)
    Lol at Wesley falling and that demon holding him ‘Thank you’ always the polite one
    This whole Kate and Angel conversations is the best ever. I knew that line: ‘if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do” (I think it’s the one line that can explain the whole show), but now I see it in context.
    I love it. I love how they were building up to this. It’s such a great life philosophy, I mean, people are so obsessed with their lives having ‘meaning’, with ‘having a purpose’ , wanting a reward or always wanting everything to have a reason and be part of something bigger.
    And then there is the whole: if we are going to die anyway then why bother?
    Because this is what matters. Today. Fighting if you feel it’s the right thing to do, if you want to. Not to win or loose, just fight because that’s what matters. You are not going to stop war, you are not going to defeat evil, you are never going to be able to save everybody. But that doesn’t matter, what matters is that you saved someone, at least one person is better, at least one person is happier, at least you are happy because you fought for what you thought was right.
    And now the future makes more sense!
    Love. Love. Love.
    Re: invitation: I don’t know about this. In my head canon, Angel was able to get in because she died, like for a moment, and the rules are kind of weird with the whole invitation thing I agree, but that’s how it works for me.

    • SnazzyO

      I knew that line: ‘if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is
      what we do” (I think it’s the one line that can explain the whole show)

      I respectfully request the Snark Squad develop a badge for when a character makes a “Joss Whedon THESIS declaration” because I completely agree — this was a show thesis moment. And also an excellent way of showing how Angel is becoming an existentialist.

      • I’d pipe in with a, “TOTALLY! WE’LL MAKE IT!” but I better not speak for our resident graphics maker. I mean. I can whip up something on Paint… 😉

        I love the placement of this thesis declaration. The beginning of the end of season 2. Not quite what you’d expect.

      • LOL. I support this badge idea. ON IT.

        I knew that this was the show thesis, primarily because someone who followed me on Tumblr because of my Angel gifs and who I then followed back uses the tag “all that matters is what we do” for their Angel posts. (This was way too random a tangent to go off on during the post, but it was exciting when he said it because it was another, “I KNOW THAT LINE!” moment.)

        • Clément Polge

          This quote have also been singled out by Whedon in an (old) interview, I don’t know when it was, but judging by one of the jokes he makes (and for which I both love and hate him), I’d say it was after Serenity:


            I’m probably too late. *sobs*

          • NOPE! I didn’t click yet. Fear not, opportunities to call me Sweeney Snow have not been taken from you!


          • Clément Polge

            Woooops. Sorry, that’s what I meant when I said that this could be-dated bost-Serenity (which is the Firefly movie), but I could have been clearer. My bad !

  • Jojo

    Roots Boots of Cowboy Revenge? Cowboy Root Boot Revenge? Sorry – just got caught up in….

    Poor Darla, after 400 years of whoring and she still didn’t get it right. Still, this hatesex is important in a lot of ways – not the least of which the fact that Angel is back on the good-guy side. But kinda rude to blame it all on Darla since the view of hell from last week is definitely key to the epiphany. I can understand why she did it – anyone who sets you on fire has to be close to losing their soul.

    Wesley cutting off every attempt at small talk was wonderful – he is losing that insecure people pleasing streak. And since he still adores Angel, it’s gotta be really hard for him in some ways. Gunn still has some Angel is a vamp issues, so not as hard. Cordy has never had any problem voicing everything she dislikes, and we already saw her perfect take down of Angel when he tried to visit Wes at the hospital.

    Like the continuity with the eyeball demons – and the hair issues it would present for Cordy. How do you style your hair to make sure the eye is covered….or usable for that matter? Worse – how do you put make-up on an eye in the beck of your head. I’m kinda disappointed that they didn’t deal with the real issues here.However, since somehow the Skilosh demons erupts fully grown – and since we see that fully grown Skilosh demons are human size – that has to give the headache from hell. My mind is still boggling…..does the head swell up, or does the demon crawl out…and out….or, maybe it’s an add water thing like those teeny sea horses that kids buy that turn out to be a rip off.

    I can fixate on the strangest things – sadly, I could speculate on…but I will stop now. Good review Snark ladies.

  • darkalter2000

    I actually love the fact that the ring was disenchanted. It is an old fashioned double mind screw. We all knew that the ring was meant to take you somewhere from somewhere else, but suddenly at the end of the last episode we are meant to believe that it takes you only to the “Home Office” (aka Earth) and the demon didn’t need it to actually travel back to his hell dimension. Then, Sudden Reversal! The ring was legit and they ripped the enchantment off while he was traveling and they worked it’s failure into a huge disillusionment of Angel. These bitches be flexible. And they are not done yet. Not even close.

  • Danna

    I have a question. Maybe someone could answer this for me. After sleeping with Darla, what caused Angel to sit up like he had been shocked and stumble out to the balcony and collapse? I never could figure that out beyond being a shameless fake out. But I’m trying to believe there was some part of the story that made this make sense.

    And, you know? You don’t get to be a crazy psycho vampire for a few weeks and then say “I had an epiphany so it’s all good now”. Angel’s still got all the Cr in him. Sometimes he just controls it better than others. Don’t get too comfortable, folks.

    • SnazzyO

      I presumed he WAS having chest pains but his soul just wasn’t going to leave… or something.

      And yes ITA, Cr is part of Angel ALL. THE. TIME. Don’t get me wrong, I actually love this character, but he can be a dick.

      • Jojo

        Angel is a control freak – that is the same with and without soul. Yeah, he has some serious dickitude. I love Angel, too – I can even love dick!Angel.

        As for the sudden sitting up – maybe that’s how he does perfect despair? Shagging Darla made his soul tighten its grip? Other than that, I got nothing.

        • Clément Polge

          Maybe he just had a panic attack ? You know, along with his epiphany, realising what he’d lost, and that he may never have it again.

          • Jen

            My theory on this is that Angel was expecting to lose his soul and woke up in a panic about it, causing him to have a psychosomatic (hope I’m using that word right…) episode in which paranoia made him FEEL like he was losing his soul. Then, when he calmed down enough to realize that he was going to be fine, he realized how utterly moronic of him it had been to take that chance (this when Darla’s going on about him needing a fresh kill and he’s got that bewildered, “holy crap” look on his face). Then, the I’ve-been-a-massive-jerk epiphany.

            Looking back on that paragraph makes me think that I really over-thought this scene…. It just bugs me so much because it seems way over-the-top, so I guess I had to rationalize it. 🙂 Once past this moment, I really do love this episode, though. As others have already said, this is the thesis statement of the show (fight the good fight one day at a time, there’s never any final victory, etc.). And of course, goodbye CrAngel!

          • Danna

            No, I like your theory! Except for the part where he was expecting to lose his soul. I don’t think he would ever expect to lose his soul with Darla. But I agree, he might have woken up in a panic about it. Maybe experiencing an epiphany was so unexpected that he thought something else was going on.

          • Jen

            I’d say you’re right. “Expecting” was a bit too strong. I just meant that his experience with Buffy must’ve made him at least somewhat paranoid about losing his soul, and this is the first time he’s had sex with anyone since then. So…massive spaz attack of hypochondria.

          • SnazzyO

            First, I totally buy your theory. Second, I think he DID think he was going to lose his soul with Darla. He WANTED to lose his soul. So, I think “expecting” was the right thing and perhaps his panic was “buyers-remorse”, until it didn’t happen.

          • Clément Polge

            I wouldn’t go so far as to say that he *expected* it, but I’d say that he clearly didn’t care about that in that moment.

            I’d also say that, for someone who had sex ONCE in over a century, you have to congratulate him for making it “perfect”.

          • Jojo

            I can definitely get on board with this. It hurt too much to have a soul and be that dark, so I think he kinda left it up to the powers to decide if shagging Darla would remove his soul. I believe that is perfect despair for Angel – getting to that depth of depression.

        • Danna

          He is the king of dicks. And it’s always such a great combo with Spike, isn’t it?

          • Jojo

            So very true – particularly since Spike loves to announce in a loud voice that the emperor has no clothes.

      • Danna

        Oh, I love CrDick!Angel. He can be so brutal. Like when he left that note on Lindsey’s truck that said “thanks”. Ha ha ha. That’s so Angel. I wouldn’t have him any other way.

  • SnazzyO

    A+ review ladies. And nice job with the parallels.

    I love the way Darla was all… let’s go again… out of pride. And ITA, Angel should wear a medical bracelet that says “Do NOT SLEEP WITH: will result in severe emotional trauma”. He should be required to show that to all women who attempt sexy times with him.

    I love this episode, just like I loved Reprise. These two combine to make a lovely flip-verse of Innocence and Surprise. Angel completely loses his idealism and then gets a purpose in life.

    • “Do NOT Sleep With: Will not cuddle.” Sads.

      Another one of those parallels! I forgot that Innocence and Surprise came in that pair, like these two did. So good.

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  • Ashlea Kobukowski

    Yep apparently it’s only Buffy’ s magical chamber of secrets that sucks the poor boy’s soul right out. Because of wuv, twue wuv. Or something like that.

    • I just gave waaay to much thought to Buffy’s vag being a chamber of secrets and Basilisks and OKAY. LEAVING NOW.

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  • SonicRulez

    This is a 10/10 episode to me. I’m paraphrasing, but Angel and Gunn have an exchange like “We should check her pad.” “You think she’s at her apartment?” “….I mean her notepad, 60’s Guy.” I love whenever they make fun of Angel being old.

    The feeeeeeeeeeeeeeels though. Angel’s epiphany speech is very well-written and legitimately moving. It changed my outlook on life. I’m glad they did the CrAngel arc (and glad you guys gave me that name for it). The show did eventually need to go to this place with Angel. It’s actually amazing how well this all ties back to S3 of Buffy with Amends. Angel began feeling like his life was meaningless and he could never repent for all that he had done. Buffy restored his hope in the world, but then he left her. He gained friends in LA and kept up with that lesson until W&H beat it out of him through targeted attacks and resurrecting a reminder of his evil past. Then they had ANOTHER reminder of his evil past flat out obliterate his attempt at redeeming the first one. So we reach Angel at his point of despair once more, trying to throw his life away to escape the cold world that Holland Manners tried to sell him on. The important thing is that this time, the person who restores Angel’s hope for the world, is Angel himself. Now he can really move forward as a person. Who among us hasn’t had to hit rock bottom to become better than who we are?

  • Megan Waldron

    In terms of CrAngel, while I felt so bad for Cordy, Wesley and Gunn, I was also sad because I was thinking that CrAngel was unlikely to be visiting Faith, and then I felt really bad because then she has no one visiting her, and she wouldn’t know why Angel wasn’t visiting. Although we only see Angel visiting her once, in my headcanon, he makes regular visits.

    • I also totally headcanon that Angel goes regularly. It’s funny because I think I was so committed to that idea that it wasn’t until you clarified that this was headcanon that I realized that this was not, in fact, canon??? So anyway, I agree with this excellent point.