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Game of Thrones S04 E08 – New Challenger Approaching

and on June 8, 2014 · 56 comments in Game of Thrones,Season 4,TV

Previously: Littlefinger pushed Lysa Arryn through the moon door and Prince Oberyn Swagger Martell volunteered to be Tyrion’s champion against The Hound.

The Mountain and The Viper

Sweeney: For reasons I cannot articulate, the will to write this recap has evaded me this week. That’s my way of saying, “I’m sorry this is late and I have zero good excuses prepped for why it’s so late.”

Lorraine: I disagree, dearest friend. The reason The Mountain and the Viper is late is because it’s The Mountain and The Viper. There. Done.

Sweeney: I stand corrected.

My old nemesis, the lying liar credits, kick us off: King’s Landing. Moat Cailin! That’s new, yeah? Sadly, it’s because Ramsay is in this episode, but we’ll concentrate on WOO NEW PLACE! for now. Winterfellinperpetualflames, The Wall, Braavos, and finally Meereen with that sweet temple designed by that probably-innocent guy Dany had killed.

We start in a grungy looking place where people are fucking outside with people walking by. Oh, Westeros! Inside a bar, a woman is belching The Bear and the Maiden Fair for some dudes. This grungy place, I know realize, is where Sam ditched Gilly. Klassy. The Belching Songbird stumbles back to where Gilly is doing laundry to harass her about her annoying baby does annoying baby stuff like cry. Gilly tells her to shut her whore mouth when she hears an owl because, as a former Wildling, she knows it means serious trouble.

Lor: The real wonder is that she can hear the owl with all the drunken shenanigans going on. Rock on, Gilly.

Sweeney: Outside, the raiding party of Wildlings and their cannibal companions lays waste to the place quite easily. Gilly did manage to hide, mostly successfully. The fussy baby (surprisingly calm, given the noisy slaughter happening a few feet a way) is overheard by Ygritte, who hesitates but simply presses her finger to her lips, cautioning Gilly to keep quiet. As she rushes off, my closed captioning informs me that I’m hearing the sound of “blood pouring” from the roof. Yes, indeed, much safer there Sam!

At The Wall, Sam is appropriately freaking the fuck out, having just heard the news that the place where he left Gilly was raided. Jon Snow’s Night’s Watch friends lament the awful shit situation they’re in right now, but they cheer Sam up by reminding him of the on-going tour of shit that has been their lives. One guy, in particular, gets a high five from me when he points out that Gilly survived Craster and a White Walker. I mentioned this on Twitter, but Sam and Gilly’s whole story always bored me to tears and so I kind of overlooked this really important bit about how they’re actually kind of badass. Only kind of, though, because they’re still boring. I won’t be taking that back.

Lor: They can be both. Congratulations on surviving, you two, but it was not compelling TV.

Sweeney: Anyway, this band of bros realize the epic levels of FUCKED that they are, with 100,000 men fast approaching their 102. They agree that the last man dead will have to burn the corpses and they drink to that because there’s not a whole lot else to do at that point.

Across the Narrow Sea, The Unsullied are bathing in pants while the ladies are bathing naked. Granted, there’s a whole additional job for the prosthetics people if The Unsullied have to bathe naked and they’ve got enough to do in this episode. Remember in Fifty Shades when we’d point out all the times that Ana was not working? We didn’t want to actually read about her working but it had to be noted that she never did this job she was so good at. This blatant, shirtless dudes = naked ladies is sort of similar. The real point of this scene, though, is that Grey Worm is PERVING hardcore. He stares at naked Missandei and she catches him and it’s awkward and he hides his head underwater with appropriate levels of shame. I want to see that gif become on par with the Homer-backing-into-the-bushes gif as an internet catch-all for hiding from unpleasantness. (L: A+)



For comparison:

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Later, Missandei’s getting her hair braided by Dany and telling her what happened. Dany gives her this annoyingly pretentious speech about how the Dothraki are all free love, like a college freshman from the mid-west who was just cast in an east cost college production of Hair. She catches herself, though, and notes that this isn’t really relevant to Missandei, as she is not Dothraki. She doesn’t think any of it matters, though, because the Unsullied can’t possibly be interested in her sexually. Missandei’s not buying that, though. He may not be able to act on it, but she’s confident he was interested. Dany asks if Missandei knows if the castration was total – “the pillar and the stones,” which is an amazing line. Missandei doesn’t know but yes, she’s definitely wondered.

Lor: I like that Dany is the one taking the lead in this birds, bees, stones and pillars talk but Missandei is the one who better knows what’s going on. I mean, it’d be hard not to, considering how hard Greyworm was PERVING. But still.

Sweeney: Missandei goes to the temple alone and Grey Worm comes to apologize. He adds that the Common Tongue lessons are precious to him – he learned the word “precious” from Jorah, though. Missandei asks him questions about life before The Unsullied, but he remembers none of it. She’s sorry all of that was done to him. Grey Worm takes up a similar line to explaining his love of his Unsullied name, saying that if all the shit that happened to him hadn’t happened, he wouldn’t be where he is now, a fact that includes having met her. She tears up and they exchange loaded, “We have feels but this world is fuuuuucked up, so…” looks.

As he leaves, Missandei says she’s glad he saw her. He is too. I don’t know how to take that, Grey Worm. This was a lovely little scene, though. I think the show is often needlessly gratuitous with its depictions of sex (which I care a lot less about then all the violence –  I’d take a 100% increase in nudity in exchange for less blood and flaying and skull shattering) but I give it a lot of credit for displaying a really broad spectrum of human sexuality. I spoiled my sister a bit on the Varys/Oberyn scene and how much I appreciated that tandem presentation of bisexuality and asexuality on this show. She lamented that it was unfortunate that castration had to be tied to asexuality. I corrected my explanation because I really don’t think the show did that in that scene and I think this little bit is a good companion to clarify that.

Moat Cailin. Ramsay is putting family armor on Theon, and mocking the Kraken. Theon recites his whole “I’m Theon Greyjoy” routine and it’s got the usual PTSD, shell of a man vibe we’ve seen from him for so long. Ramsay confirms that Theon is still broken and identifies as Reek, telling him to remember what he is and what he’s not, before sending him off to collect Moat Cailin.





Theon, carrying a white flag, rides up to the gate. He hesitates when asked who he is – long enough that the editor was all, “Ugh, ain’t got time for this, let’s just cut to the part where we’re inside.” MIRACULOUSLY, Theon’s suddenly able to hold his shit together well enough to explain who he is without sounding like he’s been utterly destroyed. Theon promises, on behalf of the Boltons, that if this band of sickly men surrenders Moat Cailin, Lord Bolton will “be as just and fair with you as he was with me.” (L: He’s not lying.) I’m entirely not buying the fact that Theon could be this together, and the guy who received the terms is also not having any of this surrender nonsense. “Only a whipped dog would speak this way.” Womp. This sense-talking man gets stabbed, though, because everybody else is all, “Fuck this, let’s go home,” and believes the promise that if they yield they’ll live.

We cut to a bit later when that same man has been flayed. Ramsay tells Theon that it’s unfortunate that flaying has gone out of style, because tradition is important. Theon just wants to go home. That’s how watching scenes with these two makes me feel except that I am, in fact, at home. So maybe it just makes me want to go back to the beginning of the series when Winterfell wasn’t on fire and the whole Stark family was alive and together and running around with direwolves and shit. BUT YOU HELPED THROW ALL THAT AWAY THEON, so there’s that.

The Vale. Littlefinger is sitting very poised by also kind of, “Shit, shit, shit,” as he’s being interrogated by highborn people who find the sequence of events between Littlefinger’s arrival and Lysa Arryn’s “suicide” a bit tricky. They all knew that Lady Arryn was “an odd fish,” but don’t buy that she would willingly leave her creepy child (L: without his milk). Littlefinger insists that she was always prone to melancholy. They’re interested in hearing from another witness to the suicide, though – Littlefinger’s “neice.” Then he amps up to, “Fuck, fuck, fuck,” as he tries to talk them out of it, but they’ve already called Sansa up to speak without letting him interfere with her testimony.

Sansa walks in and Littlefinger’s face falls some more as we see the face of the girl who is a self-professed “terrible liar.” A fact we already watched her play to her advantage once before. Sansa apologizes to him and says that she must tell these people the whole truth. Sansa confesses her true identity and explains that Littlefinger – with Lady Arryn’s help – rescued her from her extended torture in King’s Landing. (It was hard to watch, but much like the summary of Gilly, there’s something about hearing it all summed up so succinctly.) When one member of this little committee – a Lord Royce who met little Sansa back at not-on-fire Winterfell – gets ragey with Littlefinger for lying to their face Sansa says that, “Lord Baelish has told many lies – all to protect me.

Sansa tells of Lady Arryn’s deep love of Littlefinger, appealing to the woman on the committee by pointing out that she married Lord Arryn as her father ordered, “as so many of us have.” Her confession includes the kiss and Lady Arryn’s distress at seeing it and after working herself up to the bit of hysteria needed she finds it in her to tell a lie, spinning the scene of Lady Arryn’s end into the suicide Littlefinger said it was. The lady consoles her with a hug and Sansa steals a, “SEE WHAT I DID THERE!” look at Littlefinger.


This whole scene is fantastic because it’s Sansa doing as Littlefinger encouraged and turning that “terrible liar” weakness into a strength. It’s also great because Sansa’s story is often accused of being boring (by people whose opinions are worthless) (also my brothers) because of the fact that she’s largely been a pawn, but this moment drives home that Sansa always knew that letting herself be manipulated as pawn is why she’s still alive. And, in this very moment, she exerts power by playing to the assumption that she’s forever a pawn. It reminds me of the beginning of the series (in part because I keep talking about it) when Lorraine’s first observation of Sansa and Arya was that the represented opposing visions of femininity and strength. As much as I love that this show gives us figures like Daenerys, Sansa’s character is important because she brings a sort of completion to that portrait. The cool thing about this story is that there are so many unique, distinct characters, each representing unique, distinct brands of strength and weakness.

tl;dr TEAM SANSA FOREVER.

Lor: Nicely said. It kind of guts me to see her lying so professionally, but at the same time, LIE GIRL. LIE AND LIVE. It’s not only playing to the assumption that she’s a pawn, but that she’s a girl in this world, a little girl. If people think she’s weak and emotional or whatever else, she’s going to use that. Just coming full circle, Arya is out there learning to fight, changing the role she was born to play (according to the social system she belongs to); Sansa is USING that role to her advantage.

I love her too.

Sweeney: Later, Lord Royce tells Littlefinger that he’s not surprised by Lady Arryn’s suicide because letting your 10-year-old son suck your tit is weird shit. A discomforting conflation of ideas about mental health, particularly since we, the audience, know she didn’t commit suicide. Littlefinger thinks that they need to get justice for her son and part of that entails taking up arms against the Lannisters, implying that it was downright cowardly for Lysa to refuse Catelyn Stark’s request for help. Baelish says that sickly little boys can become powerful men and that it’s time for Robin to go out and become a ruler. Also to probably die in the process, leaving Baelish to take over as Lord of the Vale.

Back across The Narrow Sea, Ser Barristan is stopped by a little boy with a message from The Hand. That message, as we learn when he confronts Jorah, is a copy of Jorah’s pardon. Jorah begs Barristan to let him tell Dany himself, but Barristan only warned him as a courtesy and says he’ll never be allowed to be alone with Dany again.

Inside the Temple of Queens Being Queens, Dany is hurt and fuming. You know, I still don’t think Emilia Clarke is an actress worthy of this role (and there are several moments in this scene that I’d point to) but I do have to give her credit for having truly improved as the series progressed. (Unlike, say, Kit Harrington who was marginally better than her in the early days but has shown 0% improvement.) Jorah tries to say that he can explain, and notes that Tywin sent this in order to divide them, but Dany wants him to cut the crap and explain why he was pardoned. He confesses that he spied on her. Dany’s real sticking point is that the spying lasted long enough that he told them about Dany being pregnant with Drogo’s child. It’s a heartbreaking little reminder that Dany still remembers and suffers for what she lost. And now, she’s losing all over again because her oldest friend has betrayed her to her oldest enemy. It’s only for their history that she spares his life; she tells him to GTFO before dusk or lose that courtesy. We watch Ser Friendzoned ride off into permanent exile.

Lor: I get it, but also it’s a blow to Dany’s cause. Jorah was a voice of reason and we’ve seen Dany act rashly. Tywin is good.

Sweeney: Precisely. This move was downright brilliant. He has been an asset to her and even though she’s coming into her own, we’ve seen, this season, that she can still benefit from his counsel.

Out in the vast expanse of northern grass, Ramsay presents his father with confirmation that Moat Cailin is his. Lord Bolton and Ramsay take a walk up a hill so that Ramsay can point out that The North is fucking huge – bigger than the other six kingdoms combined – and he is its warden. He asks Ramsay to say his name and he seems a bit humiliated as he says it is Ramsay Snow. Bolton corrects that he is now Ramsay Bolton from this day until his last, presenting him with a piece of paper to that effect. Ramsay takes a knee to thank him. It’s an oddly humanizing moment, which is quickly corrected by watching him ride off with “Reek,” so that we can remember what a sick little fuck he is.

Lor: I mentioned this on Twitter, but it’s fucking terrifying that Ramsay is ONE DEAD PERSON AWAY FROM BEING WARDEN OF THE NORTH. Or, I don’t know if Bolton has more kids but Ramsay’s closer than ever and I’m not entirely confident stupid Roose will last much longer.

Sweeney: It’s not entirely clear, but the show definitely seems to be suggesting that Ramsay was just made Bolton’s heir and yeah, that observation is legit. You should have thought real hard about that move, daddy dearest.

The Vale. Sansa is sewing something in her room (guys, it’s not just me – this episode is filled with Winterfell feels) when Littlefinger comes to ask why she helped him. She says that he’d have been executed if she didn’t help and if they did that, what would they have done with her? Little finger muses that she gambled on the man she knew rather than the strangers she didn’t, but asks if she really thinks she knows him. “I know what you want,” she says without meeting his eyes. She asks if she really does and she gives him a loaded, “YEAH, I DO, PERV,” look. It fills me with so many emotions because I still find his lust for her a little gross and I’m a little bit sad for her but mostly proud of her for both recognizing this fact and figuring out how to exploit it.

Buddy Cop Road Trip! The Hound and Arya discuss Joffrey’s death and his dislike for him having died of poison because that’s a woman’s tool. Arya calls it foolish pride, saying that she’d kill him with a chicken bone if she had to. (L: LOVE. Stop with poison being a woman’s tool shit. Poison is for people who would kill anyway they could…) They’re finally arriving at The Vale, though, and The Hound is certain that family and honor are enough to guarantee that Lady Arryn would, in fact, pay for her. At the gate, they announce who they are and the guard offers his condolences because they arrived a mere three days after her death. There’s a pause and then Arya bursts out laughing. That reaction is priceless.

I saw some discussion of this on Tumblr, namely someone trying to posit that this laughter is masking some deep hurt on Arya’s part, having just lost yet another member of her crumbling family. I disagree with that read. I think that any of her remaining siblings might have felt that way, but Arya’s too far gone. I have a soft spot for her forever and ever, but this kid is truly fucked up. I’m curious to hear what you all have to say (and maybe book readers can add some bonus insight here) but I just don’t buy that level of compassion and concern for that sort of thing from Arya. Her entire existence, at this point, is fueled by her quest for vengeance.

What’s more, even before all of this, she recoiled at a lot of traditional ideas about honor and roles and unlike some other players, her desire for vengeance has very little to do with shit like family honor. For Arya it’s straightforward: there were people that I loved and these are the people that killed them. Vengeance for the baker’s boy is no more or less significant than vengeance for her father. I find it hard to buy that Arya gave any shits about the aunt she never met. To me, that laughter was entirely about the insane fact that The Hound has been on this epic journey with Arya and this is the second time that he arrived at a possible payout only to find the people in question deceased. I suppose that, in that sense, I might buy that it’s masking some hurt for the realization that her situation is super fucked up, but I think Arya resigned herself to that truth a long time ago and is mostly laughing at him for not seeing what “a little girl” finds so obvious.

Lor: I agree with your read as well. She’s both laughing at the Hound and at this freakin’ show. Something like that.

Sweeney: But the most important takeaway here: ONCE AGAIN TWO STARK CHILDREN WERE THISCLOSE TO A REUNION AND IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. I just want to see two Stark kids hug it out more than pretty much anything else in the whole TV world. That would be like TV Christmas. Maybe if I’m really good and I ask Santa real nice…GRRM looks kind of like Santa. Sick, twisted, soul-crushing Santa.

Inside The Vale, Littlefinger is giving Robin a pep-talk about going out to “take charge of your life – for as long as it lasts.” You know, because of how Littlefinger is setting that life up to be very short. The music gets real serious, then, and Sansa emerges, now sporting black hair and a really intense black dress with feathers and looking like a total fucking BAMF. She struts down the stairs asking Littlefinger if it’s time to go and this moment is perfection.

So is this Tumblr post:


King’s Landing. Jaime and Tyrion are having their final bro moment. Tyrion asks if Oberyn really has a chance, trying to say that you don’t get a name like “The Red Viper of Dorne” without being deadly. This scene is as perfect as all of the brotherly scenes have been this season. Tyrion alternates between blatant acknowledgments of his impending demise and joking memories – the stuff he’d like to think about in his final moments. He tells a story of their mentally handicapped cousin who used to smash beetles. Jaime offers up the brilliant line, “Who gives a dusty fuck about a bunch of beetles?” We Snark Ladies always appreciate new uses of swear words. Anyway, Tyrion tried to find out why that happened because he was the smartest person he knew, but never succeeded. He pleads with Jaime to give him an answer. “What was it all about?” Jaime doesn’t know. The subtext here being that this is his last change to find out the answer to that question. I just want to hug him. All the more when the bells begin tolling and it’s time for Jaime to see himself out.

Lor: There are lots of #deepthoughts hidden behind the beetle story, but mostly I can’t help but think that GRRM (and the writers) is the cousin and these characters are the beetles. “WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?” we the audience (Tyrion) ask. (And we’ll be screaming that shortly….) (#spoilers) but there is no why. We are victims of this story as much as anyone else, man.

Sweeney: Agreed! I had the same thought while watching initially but that got lost in my rush to get this thing up before the new episode. That conversation felt very meta.

We watch as Jaime is escorted to the scene of the trial-by-combat. He finds Oberyn, cocky and swagger-filled as ever. He’s helping himself to wine and wearing no armor. Tyrion wishes he would at least wear a helmet to keep them both from getting killed. Ellaria’s all love and support until she finally sees The Mountain. She’s not a fan of the idea of Oberyn fighting “that.” Prince Swagger swaggers some more about how, “Today is not the day I die.” In a show whose posters read, “ALL MEN MUST DIE,” that’s the most hardcore telegraphing of a scene they could have done. Anyone who didn’t immediately know where this is going is a little slow on the uptake.

Lor: YEP. The last guy to say something similar was Syrio Forel and though he told the god of death, “not today,” the god of death was all, “actually yes. I penciled you in for right now.”

Sweeney: A+, friend.

Pycelle announces the impending battle to the crowd. Cersei sits there looking very smug but also like she hates the sound of Pycelle’s voice as much as the rest of us. I laughed when the music played him out. A tiny but perfect moment. Oberyn promises Ellaria that he won’t leave her alone in this world, you know, to remind the audience that he’s totally about to do that.

In spite of everything I said about the obviousness of this scene, the show still manages to build suspense quite well. Oberyn does a lot of really cool jumping – showing the crowd that in spite of his size, he’s got tricks. And also reminding the audience that he’s the coolest dude in Westeros, which is why he has to die. It’s also a callback to what fellow Really Cool Dude suggested to Tyrion as the only way to defeat The Mountain – move around a lot and tire him out.

Oberyn explains that he came all the way to “this stinking shit pile of a city” to see him. He wants to hear The Mountain confess to the rape and murder of his sister and her children and the sooner The Mountain does that, the sooner this can all be over. “You raped her! You murdered her! You killed her children!” becomes his mantra throughout out the battle.



 

It’s a really intense fight and Oberyn keeps doing cool flippy shit while The Mountain lumbers around. At first, things are going well for him and people are all like:

 

 

Oberyn makes first stabby contact. He eventually manages to get his spear into The Mountain’s calf, bringing him down. Oberyn stabs him in the chest, but then laments that The Mountain is dying before confessing and, more importantly, confessing that Tywin is the one who ordered the kill. Tyrion was looking really confident until Oberyn starts crazily stomping around screaming. He gets just a little too close to The Mountain’s body, though, allowing him the opportunity to grab his leg and take him down.

The Hound climbs on top of Oberyn and confesses, as ordered, before smashing Oberyn’s skull in and showing some Emmy-worthy work from the prosthetics team. I only saw it the once, though. No fucking chance was I going to sit through that twice. Then people are all like:

 

 

Ellaria’s scream is basically the feeling deep down in my soul at watching one of the best TV Boyfriends die. (Maybe one day when Lor and I are together we can do a Segue Magic about our favorite TV Boyfriends. Ideally we will be drunk for this.) (L: We might end up in a “The Boy is Mine” Brandy & Monica style screaming match. It’ll be great.) (S: Dream a little dream!)

Tywin announces that the gods have made their will known and Tyrion processes that little bit of information. Cersei looks smug as fuck. Of course. End credits.

My brother texted me about this, arguing that this should have been a tie-goes-to-the-runner scenario, since both men died. Not that I think anyone reading this blog needs this clarification, but since I have filled this post with all outside information I’ve gathered this week, I’ll note that in this insane version of justice, it seems pretty obvious that died-first is an important detail.

And with that, we’ve got two episodes left until the finale. I’m pretty heartsick about the loss of Oberyn, mostly because this show just keeps getting darker and darker and he was such a bright spot in all of that. Beyond the fact that Pedro Pascal is a pretty man, Oberyn was a super fun character.

Otherwise, interesting things are brewing everywhere. Sansa just upped her game, the most deranged individual in all of Westeros has just become a lot more powerful, Dany’s now out one of her best advisors (and Barristan is now a questionable dude, since he knew full well that the message came from Tywin), and Tyrion’s situation continues to get worse. A lot of awesome plot set-up, but it was all done in a way that made everything significant on its own and not just as set up, which is cool. Each of these scenes had their own weight independent of what they’ll inevitably mean in the remaining two episodes of the season.

ONWARD!

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  • Kendra

    I had to cover my eyes as soon as he went down and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to watch it. Oberyn’s death, for some reason, has upset me the most out of all the major deaths on this show. He was such an awesome character, one of the only decent men left in Westeros and so fun to watch. In the end, he was too focused on making a spectacle out of his vengeance instead of just getting it over with and that’s what cost him. As soon as he started demanding a confession after The Mountain was down, I knew that it would be over soon. All I’m saying is that they better not take Tyrion away from us too!

    I have always loved Sansa and I am so interested to see where she goes from here. I really liked what Lorraine said. She’s been helpless for so long, but that didn’t mean that she wasn’t smart and tough; it’s the only way she survived King’s Landing. When people say that she’s just now becoming awesome, they are so wrong.

    Dany is REALLY going to regret sending Jorah away. I understand why she did it, but she shouldn’t have because he’s one of the only people we know for a fact is loyal to her. I’m not fully sold on a couple of her men in particular.

    All of Sam’s buddies trying to console him as he cried by reminding him how much he and Gilly have survived made me cry, even if they are largely pretty boring compared to almost everyone else.

    • Sara B

      Oberyn’s death upset me much more than i thought it would too, even though it was no surprise. For some reason i remember his book death being much more badass, much more fitting of him as a character. His show death was upsetting for me mostly because it was a result of pride and foolishness, and his screams were so pitiful. Nothing about Oberyn should ever have been made to be ‘pitiful’. That said, I think that both show Oberyn and book Oberyn left Dorne with absolutely no intentions of ever returning alive. At least i can console myself with the fact that he got what he most wanted before he died, which was to make The Mountain suffer like Elia suffered, because (spoilers?) if it’s anything like the book, The Mountain’s death will not be quick or pleasant :)

      • JP

        I actually thought that he had stepped on the Mountain’s Chest, but I don’t have the book in front of me, but a site that did transcribe it indicates that it goes down basically the same as it did on the show.

        “Clegane’s hand shot up and grabbed the Dornishman behind the knee. … Gregor’s hand tightened and twisted, yanking the Dornishman down on top of him. They wrestled in the dust and blood, the broken spear wobbling back and forth. Tyrion saw with horror that the Mountain had wrapped one huge arm around the prince, drawing him tight against his chest, like a lover.”

        However it is that Clegane got his hand on Oberyn, in both instances it was pride that brought him down.

        • Raluca

          Yep… pride got him killed :( I wish they showed Tyrion puking though… I remember he did in the book… It would have been so human :(

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      So true about Dany. I don’t trust Barristan at all, since he KNEW that Tywin sent him that. The BEST CASE scenario is that he only did it as a power play to improve his standing with Dany, which is still shady and showing little regard for her. Worst case is that he’s now playing both sides to potentially sell Dany out and get back into the fold in King’s Landing. Then there’s Daario who also just seems hella shady and like he’s a hot minute away from some significant act of betrayal because Dany slept with him in a non-manipulative-power-play fashion and my ruined TV watching experience has taught me that nothing good can come of that.

      Sansa is my favorite character on the show. Oberyn made a good run for that title in his short tenure, NGL, and there are others that I love, but Sansa’s #1.

      • Nicole von St Ange

        I disagree. I think it’s very much in character for Barristan to not care where the info came from, he needs to protect his queen and Jorah betrayed her.
        He protected the mad king for years which tells me he’s a man with purpose, the sole thing he has left is protecting his last queen, Dany.

  • Regina

    “GRRM looks kind of like Santa. Sick, twisted, soul-crushing Santa.” This is absolute gold! The books were always dark but after book three the story really takes a turn into relentless misery, so black no light can escape its surface…

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      D: D: D:

  • Regina

    I think Oberyn’s death is the most gruesome one we’ve seen on GoT, which is really saying something. I’m not normally squeamish but eye injuries always make me go NYARGH!!

    Sansa’s scene was fantastic. The looks she exchanges with Littlefinger and the fact she’s wearing Lysa’s dress at the end are so awesomely creepy!

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      Super gruesome. I looked away at some point the first time around and when I was recapping I looked away as soon as The Mountain got on top of him and didn’t look back until after Tywin started talking.

    • Raluca

      To me, the most gruesome death scene in GoT was Ros the prostitute… it still haunts me… the image of they body hanging by the hands, arrows sticking out of her, a little blood pouring slowly down… her eyes staring into nothing… while Joffrey just leaves the room, crossbow in hand, a little cruel vicious smile on his lips… and Littlefinger’s voice in the background, passionless, not caring – exactly how he treated her for slighting him – it was just horrible! :( I couldn’t sleep for 3 days when I first saw it. Oberyn’s death was nothing compared to it :(

      • Alex

        Oh god, that scene left me in shock for days too. I think it was partly because I wasn’t expecting it (since it wasn’t in the book) whereas I knew what was coming for Oberyn, but also the scene was just really, really horrible. I think the most chilling part was that we only saw the aftermath, which left us to imagine what she’d been through before she died and ugh I’m freaking myself out all over again now.

        • Raluca

          Even now, no matter how much I actually enjoy the “Chaos is a ladder…” speech, it’s hard for me to re-watch the scene. It just looked like some kind of sick, twisted rape scene and made me think how rape can have different meanings, not just the usual one… :(

  • Coey Ohwow-Godsey

    I’m just glad they did Oberyn Martell justice in the show. The Martells are my favourite house in the books and I’m excited to see more of them.
    Sansa as a character definitely grew on me. In the first two books she annoyed me (although I pitied her, as a kid who got out of her depth) but I definitely changed my mind as the saga went on, and Sophie Turner is fantastic in the role. Re-reading them, Sansa’s chapters actually stand up better than the rest. I give credit to George RR Martin for writing a range of different female characters with differing personalities and approaches. So many fantasy writers rely on one or two stereotypes.
    In the books it is implied Bolton’s (former) bastard killed his legitimate son and Bolton is pragmatic enough to legitimize his psycho offspring because it’s better than nothing. Yeah… probably not.
    As to Arya, I don’t think she made it as far as the Eyrie in the book. I see her laugh as an ‘of course’ moment. She knows nothing is ever going to go as planned and doesn’t care anymore. Arya has one of the most interesting stories coming up (IMO) but I do wonder how George RR Martin plans to tie it all up. If he ever does – apparently there will be another three books instead of two because he has so much he wants to include.

    • Nicole von St Ange

      Agree, Sansa on re-read became my favourite character.

      Correct, they didn’t make it that far. I *think* they found out on the way? But iir *that* something happened to them earlier so it’s hard to tie their book timeline to show timeline.

      There are so many loose ends omw. When is that next book coming again?!

      • Raluca

        Yes – same here! Sansa is by far the most interesting book character for me now. I hated her when in Game of Thrones… I hated her up until A Storm of Swords… Now her arc is the one I am most eager to read about. I want to know what Martin has in store for her and Littlefinger, who is now also one of my favourites. I used to loathe him as well and wanted him to die slowly and painfully, preferably by Sansa’s hand. Now I do not want that. He is more interesting than most characters – his wits and cunning are awe-inspiring. Also, I do not want Sansa to dirty her hands with killing him. She should win and make him lose, but kill him? No… he should live to see what happens :D. And some small part of me actually wants him to win… I know, I am a perverted human being :D

        • Nicole von St Ange

          Yes! Killing is too easy! She must reduce him to mush!
          Sansa to win the GOT!

          I also like Littlefinger, he has really worked hard to get to where he is. I think if it was a meritocracy he would win.

          • Raluca

            LOL Nice to see not all people loathe Littlefinger… :)
            I prefer the book version though, because he is so smart and cunning and no one sees him coming… And I like the relationship he establishes with Sansa in the books…
            In the movie, I think Gillen plays him more human… more prone to mistakes and feelings than the book version. I like the series version too, but I respect it less. :) Same goes for TV!Sansa. I hope they redeem them both, as they are perfect together, as partners in crime, and not as “a fair lady using her body to get what she wants from a drooling man”, which is where they seem to be going with it now… :(

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      I adore Sophie Turner. I love hearing her talk about Sansa, too. It’s clear that she gets this part. If you click through to the Tumblr post on the first Sansa gifset (where she’s hugging and looking at Littlefinger) there’s a quote from Sophie about how Sansa has been quietly learning all these things from everyone around her in King’s Landing.

      “If he ever does” LOL

      • Alex

        I’m sure you probably pointed this out in a recap already, but I really like how Sansa’s latest developments were foreshadowed a couple of weeks ago with Maester Aemon saying that he learned all about lying from growing up in Kings’ Landing. Now we see Sansa putting the same thing to good use at the Eyrie, and it’s fabulous.

  • Clément Polge

    I remember being so stunned by the Red Viper’s death: the whole trial went on and on in the books, until the point where Shae comes to testify and you know Tyrion has no chance in hell to be declared innocent (especially with the system being basically “everybody comes say shit about the accused who doesn’t have a right to a defense), and there, BAM, Tyrion gets his BAMF on, and goes all “YEAH ? WELL, TRIAL BY COMBAT, BITCHEEES” and it all feels very Deus Ex Machina and all, and the Viper wins, especially since the books made it very clear on numerous occasions that his name comes from the fact he uses very lethal poison on his lance, and all of a sudden, RE-BAM, The Mountain sweeps his leg, and kills him, and Tyrion gets sentenced to death.

    At that point, I honestly couldn’t process what the hell was happening, it all felt so much like a twist to save a beloved character, only to not, it was genius.

    What was not genius, though, is Sam putting Gilly in a whorehouse because “she’ll be safer there”. Moron.

    Also, I saw that Sansa gif before seeing the episode, and I was sure it was her head photoshopped on a scene from Maleficent or something, her whole body language is just so different. She’s very… Seductive. Graow.

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      Pretty much from the moment Oberyn volunteered, I figured he’d end up dead, mostly because he was so fucking awesome and, you know, THIS SHOW. Either Tyrion -and- Oberyn come out on top or they both suffer? Suffering is always the safer bet.

      HER CHANGED BODY LANGUAGE WAS SO WEIRD TO SEE. It’s still weird to see.

      • Raluca

        You know what I hope? I hope they don’t give us another woman who uses what is between her legs to “climb the ladder”. I’ve had enough of those, from Cersei to Dany and Ros the whore and Shae… all are using their bodies. I want something else from Sansa. I do not want to see her sleep her way up the top of the ladder, nor do I want to see some stupid and useless rape scene involving her.
        If she chooses a man to sleep with, let it be because she feels desire for him, and not because she has to. I do not care who that man is – Littlefinger or some other guy – I just want her to want it and like it.
        To summarize, I want Sansa to use her brains, not her vagina :)

      • Alex

        I kind of feel like the only person who wasn’t super excited by Sansa’s transformation. I actually thought she looked a bit silly swaggering around in her new dress, like a kid playing dress-up, and I couldn’t really decide what to make of it.

        Admittedly I may have been distracted, because I was watching with my boyfriend who joined the dots between the ‘I know what you want’ in Sansa’s bedroom and her new look. He assumed that this meant that Sansa and Littlefinger had just had sex, and started yelling at the TV during this scene. Having reflected on it a bit I don’t think he was right, but I can see how he got there, because there is a bit of a TV trope where girls get a bad-girl makeover and instantly become ten times sexier after they’ve had sex for the first time.

        • Raluca

          I do not think they had sex. Let me share why I think so :) (except for the fact that it just doesn’t feel like it).
          Sansa is a virgin. For her marriage to Tyrion to be null and void, she needs to remain a virgin or she needs Tyrion to die. If Tyrion dies and she is “unspoilt”, it’s easier to marry her off very well. If he doesn’t die, it’s all the more important to keep her a virgin for getting an annulment (on grounds of not having been consummated). And Littlefinger is not stupid. He needs her and he also needs Robin. The Lords of the Vale dislike him and the little stunt Sansa pulled bought him time, but they still don’t really trust him (it is plain on their faces when they talk about Robin flying the nest). So he cannot kill Robin for now. He needs Robin to live and himself to establish a good name in the Vale, as Lord Protector, until the boy comes of age. And remember, Lysa said Sansa is now betrothed to Robin. Sansa is oficially the heir of Winterfell as well (only the Boltons know Bran and Rickon might still be alive). So Sansa is an important piece for him. Why spoil that for 10 minutes of pleasure?
          I think LF would not touch Sansa – not yet anyway. Sansa is his ticket on the way up, and so is Robin.
          Also, Petyr might want Sansa, but I do not think he would take her against her will. How I see it, he longs for her to actually like him, and rape is not conducive to such like, is it? A raped woman is not gonna like her attacker, especially if she’s had no previous sexual experience, is she?!
          So no, they have not had sex (not yet at least). Nor do I think they should, if the show writers do Littlefinger justice and don’t turn him into a blabbering idiot who cannot keep it in his pants.
          My hope for Sansa is that she uses her wits and not her vagina to climb the ladder. I wish that, when she has sex, she does it consensually and because she wants to, not as a means to an end (controlling LF) or by force (please spare us another rape scene, pretty please, writers???). I do not want to see yet another cliche of a woman using her vagina to lure a drooling idiot of a man into her clutches. And to be honest… how much does Sansa really know about desire and seduction? She looks like a girl dressed in her mom’s clothes in that scene.
          And LF’s intense stare to me read: “Bitch is ready to play the game of thrones” and not “Wow, let’s fuck!”

          • Alex

            I don’t think so either, as I said. I agree that Littlefinger wouldn’t ‘deflower’ Sansa, however much he might want to. However, I did think there was a definite second meaning to the ‘I know what you want’ conversation in her bedroom. All they were missing was some suggestive eyebrow waggling. To me it honestly felt like Sansa could have started unbuttoning her dress right after that line and I wouldn’t have been completely surprised.

          • Raluca

            You are right – I didn’t think about it because it’s not in the books (up to the point they reached with the story) for Sansa and Petyr to sleep together. I re-watched last night though and I can understand why you got that impression from Sansa. First, it’s the way she looks at him when she is testifying. She has this infatuated look when she says “he saved me… smuggled me away…” as if he’s her knight in shining armor (which she totally plans, of course… at least I think she does). Then, when she is crying in Lady Waynwood’s arms and they exchange a look, she is doing the same lip-parting thingie she does later, when he is in her room, which is suggestive and reeks of sexual innuendo. :)

      • Clément Polge

        I guess in my case it was wishful thinking ? I truly wanted to believe, because I loved Tyrion too much to see him die, and the Viper has such good reasons to want revenge, it seemed safe to assume he would be a big player for a while. That duel changed SO. MANY. THINGS.

    • Raluca

      :) When I first saw the scene with Sansa going down the stairs, I loved it! She was badass! But now… when I think more about it… I plain kinda dislike it. It is “in your face” and cartoonish… It is “Cruella deVille” or “Maleficent”. I do not like it one bit.
      And do you know why? Because it implies she becomes a woman by flaunting her body and taunting Littlefinger with it. I was hoping Sansa wouldn’t be made to use her body, but her brains. She showed a lot of brains and guts in this episode, so the “black dress of badass” ruined it for me. Think about it: Sansa showing off for Littlefinger in front of all the lords of the Vale, in front of Royce and Corbray and Lady Waynwood who saw her crying during her “confession”. Come on! Who would respect and believe her now, seeing her like this? They should have kept the “innocent garb” and make her appear as quiet and unobtrusive as before, while plotting with Littlefinger :D. Yep, I prefer the book version :)

      • Nicole von St Ange

        She played dress up in the book version as well though :)
        It is a very Sansa thing to do, appearance is important for her and she dresses how she feels. When she came to Kings Landing she wore her hair in the Southern style, later on she changed back to the Northern style. I think she even modeled it after Margery at one stage (?)
        In that moment she felt powerful – and so that is how she dressed!

        • Raluca

          She changed her clothes in the book too… but to the version of Alayne Stone, the bastard girl, not to “Maleficent the seductress”. What I mind is the “Disney villain” feel I get from looking at her.
          However, I liked her attitude during her confession and also during her discussion with Littlefinger. I think most people interpret her “I know what you want” as “I know you want to fuck me”, but I don’t. LF might also what that from Sansa, but what he mostly wants is power – he was humiliated by the lords of the Vale and they will probably pay dearly :D, as they should. I think he wants a partner in crime, a smart person by his side – his attraction to her is (or should be if the show runners allow it) secondary. At least that’s how I feel.

  • Nicole von St Ange

    Wait… Don’t you guys have an eyeball trauma tag yet?

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      OH! We do – thanks for pointing that out!

  • JP

    I can buy Reek’s/Alfie Allen’s performance considering the conditions on the ground at Moat Cailin. A guard dying from sort of pox gets greeted by a twitchy Theon Greyjoy and presumably just waves him on to his superior, it’s only guy after all, no bigger threat than they’re already dealing with. Reek managed to spit out the lines he’s fed on sheer fear and adrenaline, but immediately collapses when the guy rejects the offer. He starts muttering “I’m Reek” over and over and over, which the commander was too busy talking over him to notice. The whole thing would have collapsed if the soldier hadn’t killed his commander. That I can buy.

    As for Arya, I think she’s just gotten to the point where she keeps running into her God, Death, but he’s never there for her. It’s hilarious that this is the second time this has happened to the Hound and her, and it will never ever change. There’s no winning for The Hound at this point, there is no more hope. And isn’t that just funny?

    • http://www.sweeneysays.com Sweeney

      I hear you and I don’t expect everyone to find that scene as incomprehensible as I do, but the bit where he held it together just lasted way longer than I could buy from this character.

      That’s more or less my read on Arya, though.

    • Raluca

      Well, Alfie Allen is actually a wonderful choice for Theon/Reek. However, I do not like that character one bit, nor do I feel anything else save disgust mingled with some pity for him. He is a coward to me, and not even a smart one. :)

      • JP

        Well, Reek’s chapters in…the book he is revealed for what he has become, are my second favorite chapters in those book. I admire the gall of the story of giving us a character who does despicable horrible things to the point where people hate him and call for his torture and death. The story shrugs and gives you exactly that and makes you incredibly uncomfortable about it in the first place. The show goes the relentless rout asking you the viewer over and over are you sure you want this? Martin’s version is, of course, better, being way after the fact and dealing mostly with the mental scarring. The whole thing is fascinating. I can understand why people would be so tired whenever Reek pops up, because I think it’s the gold star for ASOIF/GOT giving you exactly what you wanted and making you wish you hadn’t even asked. Like one of those ironic genies.

        • Raluca

          I fully understand what you are saying. I do not call for his torture and death. I just don’t have any compassion for him. Which is weird, given that I do feel compassion (and even like a lot) other characters, who have done things just as bad (or even worse) – Littlefinger and his involvement in Joff’s (a vicious little fuck, but still almost a child) and Ros’s death (not to mention Ned Stark) comes to mind… or Jaime and his pushing Bran out of the window… I like Jaime and Littlefinger and feel compassion for them (yes, for them both, don’t throw stones…). I cannot feel the same for Theon. Have no idea why…

  • Franuel

    And so ends yet another failed rebellion by the Greyjoys and the Iron Islanders. The rebellers even rebel against the rebel leader again! (A swift bop on the head, as seen shortly before Winterfell was forever on fire.) Maester Luwin you taught us so well… I did buy Theon holding it together that long, he lasted for as long as the lines he’d been fed by Ramsey did, I think. When the other guy went ‘off-script’ that was when he started to lose it “Reek, reek, rhymes with meek’.

    Good foreshadowing as well from The Hound a few episodes ago, when he taught Ayra that righteous anger and a fancy style are naff-all use against a big-ass opponent who has actually bothered to wear armour (that was my ‘Oh, crap’ moment, when I knew he was doomed, when Tyrion asked Oberyn about the armour) and just wants to get the kill in. I very much took Ayra’s laugh as “joke’s on you, sucker!” He’s kept her alive all this time, and gone to all this effort because he is mercenary, and now there’s no-one left (that they know of) who is the slightest bit bothered about her. And also, becase OF COURSE this would happen. ever since she reclaimed Needle she’s been to far gone to really feel a death deeply I think

    Sansa played that jury masterfully, reminding Drunk Guy From Four Weddings and a Funeral of her as an innocent child and her honourable father who he was friends with, appealing to the feminist nature of the only lady on the panel… she had them right where she wanted them.

    I only noticed the typo in my tweet when it appeared here, THE SHAME!

    .

    • http://thelatepartygirls.com Lorraine

      Daaamn. The Iron Islanders need to pay closer attention to their villains.

      And excellent observation about the Hound’s speech and the ultimate demise of Oberyn. SHIT. That’s actually incredibly well played, considering all that fancy footwork Oberyn was doing at first.

      Typos in Tweets are the worst. I didn’t notice when I picked it. I’M SORRY. ;)

  • Raluca

    It’s no secret I’ve read the books, so I knew the outcome of the trial by combat. However, same as in the books (during re-reads), I keep yelling for Oberyn to just shut the fuck up and kill the Mountain. He never listens, unfortunately.
    Oberyn has grown on me rapidly, both as a book character and as a movie character. He is likeable and smart, he is not a nice guy, doesn’t care about the rules etc. And he didn’t try to help Tyrion out of the goodness of his heart – he wanted revenge. I liked him and now he is gone… I hate GRRM! :(
    Jaime and Tyrion’s scenes are amazing, as always. I know the future, so I cannot say more… just that I feel these scenes show us once more that they actually loved each other, despite Cersei’s and Tywin’s influences :( The Kingslayer brothers! :)
    Sansa Stark is my favourite female character in the book, and I feel the movie didn’t make her justice. I mentioned below, in other comments, why, so I will not repeat it here. Suffice to say she looks like a cartoon villain now :( I wanted and expected so much more from movie!Sansa… I still have high hopes that she will somehow remain a smart lady, keep learning from Petyr Baelish and win the Game of Thrones… but I do not want some cheap and cliche version of Sansa on my screen.
    I also deeply dislike what they did to Lord Baelish. Don’t get me wrong – the scenes were wonderful and Aidan Gillen superb as always. What I dislike is the “trend”. Lord Baelish is smart. He would not let things get out of control so badly that he had to rely on a girl to save his ass. He would have a plan. Now… I think he is more human, but less impressive :(. I prefer book!Baelish by far!

    • http://thelatepartygirls.com Lorraine

      As you know, we aren’t book readers and can’t comment on any of that.

      I really actually like that Sansa looks the way she does for two reasons: 1 – it’s supposed to be a disguise more than anything else, if I’m understanding correctly. 2 – It makes sense to me that Sansa would err on the side of cartoonish. She may have come a long way, but she’s still naive in a lot of ways. This is her playing dress up to a degree, or doing the opposite of what she would normally do. It comes off cartoonish, because it kind of is.

      • Raluca

        You are right… in a way :D
        But how would Sansa explain her new look in front of the High Lords of the Vale though? She just cried like a scared little dove in Lady Waynwood’s arms and a couple of days later she emerges looking badass, on Petyr’s arm??? Come on… :D IMO, she should have stayed “hidden” and played the game from the shadows… It’s just an opinion though :)
        It’s probably the same situation as with all the changes they made to LF’s character as well – he talks too much in the series, he’s too obvious and no one likes him. In the books, he is always in the shadows, people dismiss him as unimportant, he never talks about what he does (except sometimes with Sansa – and not too much). LF from the series is more human and likeable compared to the book version, which is more cunning and calculated. So I like the movie version but respect the book version more. :D

        • Alex

          Well, as Lorraine says, if the outfit is a disguise then there’s no reason for the High Lords to be suspicious. They already know that Alayne is actually Sansa, so presumably they can just be told that Sansa needed a makeover to disguise her new identity.

          I know that things play out differently in the books, but purely from the TV show perspective I don’t think this development is particularly strange.

          • Raluca

            Well, we’ll see how they wish to play it out next. I am curious, as they’ve very little book material to go on now :D

      • Alex

        I like this interpretation a lot. I found it cartoonish too, and wondered if I was the only one, but your idea that it’s cartoonish because it’s meant to be sits much better with me.

  • Raluca

    About Arya – as a book reader, I can tell you Arya is pretty far gone on the road to vengeance. She will probably have hers with no second thoughts as to what exactly that vengeance is actually doing to her as a person. The trip to the Vale and the laugh are not in the books. I cannot say too much because of spoilers, but her journey doesn’t end there. I am not sure how the writers will play this out, but I am as curious as you guys.

  • Raluca

    As for the exchange between Jaime and Tyrion on the subject of cousin Orson and his beetles – that is not in the books either. Actually, Jaime is not in King’s Landing during the most of the events of this season, so none of his encounters with Tyrion are in the books. :) I liked the discussion though – both actors did very well.

  • Raluca

    Two more things I forgot to mention: the castle you see in the background, the destination of the Boltons, is Winterfell.
    And Littlefinger’s small speech to Robin is amazing: “people die at their tables (Joffrey), people die in their beds (Robert Baratheon), people die squatting over their chamber pots (:D)…” I just loved it!

    • http://thelatepartygirls.com Lorraine

      Two great observations. The thing about dying especially because people don’t just DIE in those cases. Joffrey was killed and died at a table, Robert was killed and died in his bed. Chamber pot? I guess we’ll see soon. Fingers crossed for Ramsay.

  • SnazzyO

    Ellaria gif is my reaction and I’m still not over it. I can’t even THINK about this episode without PTVSD. Post-TV Stress Disorder is legit IMO.

    • Alex

      Ellaria’s reaction is actually what stuck with me the most after watching. Oberyn’s exploded head was every kind of gross, but gore on its own doesn’t generally get to me. What I can’t handle is thinking about other people seeing those horrible things happening to their loved ones. Watching a woman scream as she sees her lover’s head get smashed to pieces is an image which just will not leave my mind. I’m so with you on the PTVSD.

      • Clément Polge

        “What I can’t handle is thinking about other people seeing those horrible things happening to their loved ones.”

        Yes, this, so much.

    • http://thelatepartygirls.com Lorraine

      Oberyn’s death really go to me too, and not only for the gore. I was talking to someone about this show recently and I mentioned that if I weren’t blogging, there is a big possibility that I would’ve quit it. It’s not the gore or the darkness, but rather that there doesn’t seem to be enough hope (for me) to counteract the darkness of the story. I can’t consider my favorite characters and feel any piece of hope for where they will end up, you know?

      That’s not the only thing that makes watching this difficult, but it stuck out to me with the Oberyn thing because I liked him and now he’s dead. OF COURSE.

      • Alex

        My boyfriend has been saying something similar for a while, and really stepped up his ranting on that topic after this episode. I don’t feel that way myself, but I can definitely see where you’re both coming from. It’s not just a case of sulking over the deaths of characters that you liked, because usually the best shows aren’t afraid to kill off popular characters if it’s important to the story. And it’s always lame when shows only kill off the unpopular characters (e.g. Lost went through a bit of a phase of doing that). But with GoT there’s this constant feeling that whatever you want to happen, the exact opposite will happen instead.

        It’s actually kind of gone the other way for me. I’m always just assuming that the worst will happen, so when something goes right I end up disproportionately happy about it. For example, I hated Locke so much that I was 100% sure he was going to keep living and majorly fucking things up for Bran, and then he died and I couldn’t actually believe it.

        That’s the other thing, of course. The nature of the show means that things that make me happy basically mean characters I don’t like dying in horrible ways. Which is also quite depressing.

  • Melodie Hatley

    Good episode, and some really good special effects. I had to turn away during the gouging because the screams made it really real. I was also loling a bit when it happened cause I was wondering what the Snark Ladies would think of his death. Never fear, though! Oberyn, who was completely awesome in all things, only really opened up Dorne, which is completely awesome. There are some dimensions to what happened there that hasn’t been brought up in show yet, but I’m sure will be by the end… but just a big one for example is a Prince of Dorne just died there, what’s Doran Martell gonna think? I’m all for more political intrigue. :)

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